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(Some of the Bible verses quoted in this study have had comments added in brackets. The sole purpose of this study technique is to emphasise or introduce a line of thought. All verses are KJV unless otherwise stated).

To attain a clear understanding of God's Word, and an answer to the above question, we need to consider everything that Scripture reveals on this subject;
(2Ti 3:16) All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Notice that ALL Scripture is of God. It is not a personal opinion of the Author, nor are we to make it mean something other than what it is saying;
(2Pe 1:20) Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the Scripture is of any private interpretation.
(2Pe 1:21) For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Who are we to ignore certain verses, if they do not fit what we currently believe to be truth?
If a verse disagrees with our current understanding on a matter, does that make the information in that particular verse of Scripture wrong?
How do we allow the Bible to say what it means?
By accepting what it says.

Notice what God the Father says about Jesus;
(Heb 1:8) But unto the Son He (the Father) saith, Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever...
(Heb 1:10) And, Thou (Jesus), Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:...

But notice what 'the LORD' of the Old Testament says;
(Isa 48:12) Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.
(Isa 48:13) Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens:..

So is Jesus therefore 'the LORD' of the Old Testament?; compare Jesus' words;
(Rev 1:11)
...I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last:... 

Let's look at this further. The verse below reveals to us that 'the LORD' (Yahweh) is the judge, lawgiver, king, and the one who will save us;
(Isa 33:22) For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; he will save us.

(the above word 'LORD', is translated from YHWH; being also referred to as Yahweh. Some Bible versions translate YHWH as Jehovah. Because this study is quoting KVJ, it will appear as 'LORD' throughout this study).

So, is 'Yahweh' referring to God the Father, or to the Son; Jesus?
(For a Biblical understanding of the Godhead; please read our study Which Trinity).

We will look at the above attributes one at a time, in an attempt to answer that question.

Notice from the following verses, who is the only lawgiver and judge;
(Jam 4:12) There is only ONE Lawgiver and Judge-the one who can save and destroy...

Are we to accept the above verse as a fact, or is it just a lie that there is one Lawgiver and Judge?
(2Ti 4:1) I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
(2Ti 4:8) Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord (Jesus), the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

(Act 10:42) And he (Jesus) commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.
(Act 17:31) Because he (God the Father) hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man (Jesus) whom he hath ordained...

(Rom 2:16) This will take place on the day when God will judge men's secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.
(Rom 14:10) But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at naught thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

(Joh 5:22) For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed ALL judgment unto the Son:
(Joh 5:27) And hath given him (Jesus) authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

(Rev 19:11) And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he (Jesus) that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

These verses and many others, make it clear that Jesus is that judge.

Notice from the following verses, who Israel looked to as their ultimate King;
(Mar 15:32) Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe...
(Joh 12:15) Fear not, daughter of Zion; behold, thy King (Jesus) cometh, sitting on an ass's colt.

This is the same King who 'is our coming King';
(Mat 25:31) When the Son of man (Jesus) shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
(Mat 25:32) And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
(Mat 25:33) And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
(Mat 25:34) Then shall the King (Jesus) say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

(Rev 17:14) These shall make war with the Lamb (Jesus), and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he (Jesus) is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

This is a small sample of the many verses verifying Jesus is King.

And notice from the following verses who is the one who 'will save us';
(1Pe 3:21) The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
(Heb 7:25) Wherefore he (Jesus) is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him (Jesus), seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
(1Ti 1:15) This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
(1Jo 4:14) And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.
(Luk 19:10) For the Son of man (Jesus) is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

As you have now seen, Jesus fulfils all 4 criteria points given in;
(Isa 33:22) For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; he will save us.

In essence, this verse could say; For Jesus is our judge, Jesus is our lawgiver, Jesus is our king; Jesus will save us; which would make Jesus and Yahweh one and the same.

If one maintains an open mind, much more evidence supports this idea. To blatantly reject this as a possibility, would bring a lot of contradiction to the Bible writings.
Let us look further.

As we saw above, Jesus is coming to save us, which would make the following verse also refer to Jesus.
(Isa 43:11) I, even I, am the LORD (Yahweh); and beside me there is no savior.

If God the Father, and Jesus, are separate entities (which we believe is the case), and the above verse is said to be referring to God the Father; then either the verse is a lie or Jesus is not our saviour.

Scripture makes it clear that Jesus existed before He came to earth as 'the man' Jesus;
(Joh 17:5) And now, O Father, glorify thou me (Jesus) with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

This is why the 'God' (Elohim; the Godhead) of creation week is plural;
(Gen 1:26) And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:...

As strange as this idea may seem to some at first (that Yahweh was the name Jesus used, up to the time He appeared on earth as a man); many other avenues of investigation result in the same conclusion. We'll now look at some of them.

We know that Jesus was pierced on the cross; now look closely at 'who is pierced' in these following verses;
(Zec 12:8) In that day shall the LORD (Yahweh) defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.
(Zec 12:9) And it shall come to pass in that day, that I (Yahweh) will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
(Zec 12:10) And I (Yahweh) will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon ME (Yahweh) whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him (Yahweh), as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Although it is clear that God the Father would have been 'emotionally pierced' by this event, the verse makes it clear that it is referring to the 'physical divinity' on the cross, ...shall 'look upon' ME whom they have pierced...

In the following verse, notice that Yahweh is going to break the people 'as one breaks a potter's vessel';
(Jer 19:11) And shalt say unto them, Thus saith the LORD (Yahweh) of hosts; Even so will I break this people and this city, as one breaketh a potter's vessel, that cannot be made whole again...

Now notice who will actually do this;
(Psa 2:7) ...Thou art my Son (Jesus); this day have I begotten thee...
(Psa 2:9) Thou (Jesus) shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

Notice whom John the Baptist was 'preparing the way' for;
(Isa 40:3) The voice of him (John the Baptist) that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD (Yahweh), make straight in the desert a highway for our God.

Didn't John the Baptist prepare the way for Jesus?
We also know that Jesus dwelt in Jerusalem;
(Zec 8:3) Thus saith the LORD (Yahweh); I am returned unto Zion, and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem:...
(Zec 9:9) Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

The following verse shows us that the Lamb (Jesus), is waiting for a Bride;
(Rev 21:9) And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will show thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.

Clearly then, Christ, the Lamb, is the husband.
Notice who the husband is described as here;
(Isa 54:5) For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD (Yahweh) of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.
(Rev 21:7) He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I (Jesus) will be his God...

Jesus is bringing His reward with Him;
(Rev 22:12) And, behold, I (Jesus) come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

And so is Yahweh;
(Isa 40:10) Behold, the Lord GOD (Yahweh) will come with strong hand, and his arm shall rule for him: behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him.

Comparing the following two verses gives the same conclusion;
(Jer 17:10) I the LORD (Yahweh) search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

Jesus confirms that the above verse in Jeremiah referred to Him;
(Rev 2:23) ...I (Jesus) am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

Yahweh is also described as the shepherd;
(Isa 40:11) He shall feed his flock like a shepherd: he shall gather the lambs with his arm, and carry them in his bosom, and shall gently lead those that are with young.

And again, Jesus is described as that 'one shepherd';
(Joh 10:14) I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
(Joh 10:16) And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Scripture reveals that Jesus was the divine leader of the Hebrews out of Egypt, and the lawgiver at Mt Sinai;
(Exo 34:5) And the LORD descended in the cloud, and stood with him (Moses) there, and proclaimed the name of the LORD.
(Exo 34:6) And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth, (all above 'LORD' = Yahweh).

Now notice who was in the cloud;
(1Co 10:1) Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
(1Co 10:2) And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
(1Co 10:3) And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
(1Co 10:4) And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Take careful note in the following verse who spoke to Moses on the mountain;
(Act 7:38) This is he (Moses), that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sinai, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

Is this angel 'Michael', whom you will see shortly from other Scripture, is actually Jesus?
Notice the voice of God, which spoke from Mt Sinai;
(Exo 19:16) And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled.
(Exo 19:17) And Moses brought forth the people out of the camp to meet with God;...

We see this 'voice of a trumpet' appear again in Revelation;
(Rev 1:10) I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
(Rev 1:11) Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last:...

And notice who this is, with a voice of a trumpet;
(Rev 1:17) ...Fear not; I am the first and the last:
(Rev 1:18) I am he that liveth, and was dead;... (ie, Jesus).

These following verses reinforce the fact that it had to be Jesus who appeared to Moses on Mount Sinai, because;
(Joh 1:18) No man hath seen God (the Father) at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he (Jesus) hath declared him.
(Joh 6:46) Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he (Jesus) which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
(1Ti 6:16) Who only hath immortality (the Father), dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see:..

Are the above verses to be taken as facts, or are they lies?
In the following verses, a whole group saw 'the God' which was on Mt Sinai;
(Exo 24:9) Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel:
(Exo 24:10) And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness.
(Exo 24:11) And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink.

Based on the previous verses, this could only be Jesus!
And if no man has seen God the Father 'at any time', then who is appearing in these verses?;
(Gen 18:1) And the LORD (Yahweh) appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
(Gen 12:7) And the LORD (Yahweh) appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: and there built he an altar unto the LORD (Yahweh), who appeared unto him.
(Gen 32:30) And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.
(Lev 9:4) Also a bullock and a ram for peace offerings, to sacrifice before the LORD; and a meat offering mingled with oil: for today the LORD (Yahweh) will appear unto you.

So can this 'LORD' be God the Father?
Not according to the following attribute of God the Father;
(Col 1:15) Who is the image of the invisible God...

Again, it appears that to avoid contradiction in Scripture, Yahweh and Jesus must be one and the same.
Jesus was the active agent during Old Testament times; not the Father. 

It is interesting to note next, that Scripture reveals Jesus as being the creator of all.
(Rev 3:14) ...These things saith the Amen (Jesus), the faithful and true witness, the beginning (commencement) of the creation of God;

(Eph 3:9) And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

(Heb 1:1) God who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
(Heb 1:2) Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Follow this next one carefully;
(Col 1:14) In whom we have redemption through his (Jesus) blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
(Col 1:15) Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
(Col 1:16) For by him (Jesus) were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him (Jesus), and for him:
(Col 1:17) And he (Jesus) is before all things, and by him (Jesus) all things consist.
(Col 1:18) And he (Jesus) is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he (Jesus) might have the preeminence.
(Col 1:19) For it pleased the Father that in him (Jesus) should all fullness dwell;

And again we see here that Jesus is described as the creator;
(Joh 1:1) In the beginning was the Word (Jesus), and the Word (Jesus) was with God, and the Word was God.
(Joh 1:2) The same (Jesus) was in the beginning with God.
(Joh 1:3) All things were made by him (Jesus); and without him was not any thing made that was made.
(Joh 1:4) In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
(Joh 1:5) And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
(Joh 1:6) There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
(Joh 1:7) The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
(Joh 1:8) He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
(Joh 1:9) That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
(Joh 1:10) He (Jesus) was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
(Joh 1:11) He (Jesus) came unto his own, and his own received him not.

You have seen an abundance of evidence from the above verses that Jesus is our creator, therefore Yahweh in the following verses must also be Jesus;
(Exo 20:11) For in six days the LORD (Yahweh) made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD (Yahweh) blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Here is another interesting point to consider;
We know from the above verses that 'the Word' is Jesus;
(Joh 1:14) And the Word (Jesus) was made flesh...
(Rev 19:13) And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his (Jesus') name is called The Word of God.

Therefore, if 'the Word' is from Jesus, then the many verses quoting 'the word of the Lord',
in essence is saying 'the word of Jesus'; as they are one and the same.
(Eze 38:1) And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,...
Now, 'LORD' in the above verse is from the word 'Yahweh', which again would mean Jesus and Yahweh are one.
So that would mean it was Jesus speaking through the Old Testament prophets; 
(1Pe 1:10-11) Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify,...

How could this be?
Studies of the original text, from which the words 'Lord' and 'God' are derived, bring light into this issue.
We know that Jesus is our 'hands on' creator and lived before creation began. Because we know He existed before He came to the earth as Jesus; the question comes up, what was His name before He came to earth in the flesh, becoming known to man,
as Jesus (or Yahushua)?
Was Yahweh His name before He came to earth as a man?

We know the Godhead, responsible for the 'initiation' of creation, is referred to as 'Elohim'.
(Gen 1:1) In the beginning God (Elohim; the Godhead) created the heaven and the earth.

We know 'Elohim' is not a singular identity;
(Gen 1:26) And God (Elohim) said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:

The 'us' is likely to be referring to what we know now as the Father and the Son; as both are one in purpose now, and would have been one in purpose then.
Next we will try to establish from Scripture the various parts which make up Elohim, the Godhead;
(Gen 3:22) And the LORD (Yahweh) God (Elohim) said (ie, the Yahweh portion of the Godhead said), Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:

The following verse confirms Jesus/Yahweh, is the bodily representative of the Godhead;
(Col 2:8) Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
(Col 2:9) For in him (Jesus) dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.

So can we identify the Father, or the 'invisible' member of the Godhead;
(Col 1:15) Who (Jesus) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

It appears one word used for God the Father, could be 'El', which means 'Mighty one';
(Gen 14:19) And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God (El), possessor of heaven and earth:

It is interesting to note from the above verse, that although we know Jesus (Yahweh) is creator of Heaven and Earth; God the Father (El) is the possessor of Heaven and earth.
This is again confirmed here;
(1Co 8:6) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ,
by whom are all things, and we by him.

Notice that all things are 'of' the Father (the possessor), but 'by' Jesus (the creator).
Also interesting to note in the above verse, is that we are 'in' the Father, 'by' the son, Jesus.

The idea is generally accepted, that after Jesus created angels, He dwelt among them, as one of them; and as an angel He had the name 'Michael'. Similarly, after His participation as part of the Godhead in creating man (being the creating agent), by the Father's authority He later dwelt among man, as a man; 'Jesus' (Yahushua).
The following two verses reveal that the 'voice of the archangel' and the 'voice of Jesus' are the same,
('arch' meaning Ruler, Commander or Captain, ie. commanding angel);
(1Th 4:16) For the Lord himself (Jesus) shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
(Joh 5:27) And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
(Joh 5:28) Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

We know that as Michael, leader of the angels, Jesus is bringing His angels with Him;
(Mat 25:31) When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him,

Notice next how Jesus declares himself as 'captain';
(Jos 5:14) And he said, Nay; but as captain (Michael) of the host (angels) of the LORD (Yahweh) am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant?

Had this 'captain', Michael, been simply a created commanding angel, he would have rebuked Joshua for worshipping him, as was done in these other similar situations;
(Rev 22:8) And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which showed me these things.
(Rev 22:9) Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren the prophets,...

It is clear that the 'captain' of Jos 5:14, was of divine origin and therefore worthy of worship.

Notice what this next angel claims responsibility for;
(Jdg 2:1) And an angel of the LORD came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and said, I made you to go up out of Egypt, and have brought you unto the land which I swore unto your fathers; and I said, I will never break my covenant with you.

Who else can this angel be, but Michael/ Jesus/ Yahweh.
Remember how we saw earlier, that it was Jesus who led Israel out of Egypt in the cloud;
(Exo 13:21) And the LORD went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them the way;

Well, notice how 'the LORD' is also referred to as 'the angel of God';
(Exo 14:19) And the angel of God, which went before the camp of Israel, removed and went behind them; and the pillar of the cloud went from before their face, and stood behind them:...
(Exo 14:24) ...in the morning watch the LORD looked unto the host of the Egyptians through the pillar of fire and of the cloud, and troubled the host of the Egyptians,

So, what 'angel' could be also known as 'the LORD'?
This could only be 'Michael the Archangel'; being Jesus.
Jesus is coming to save His children;
(Dan 12:1) And at that time shall Michael stand up (from being seated at the right hand of the Father), the great prince that standeth for the children of thy people:... 

The following verses also make it clear that 'the angel of the LORD' (Yahweh) and 'the LORD' (Yahweh) are one and the same;
(Jdg 6:12) And the angel of the LORD (Yahweh) appeared unto him, and said unto him, The LORD (Yahweh) is with thee, thou mighty man of valor.
(Jdg 6:13) And Gideon said unto him, Oh my Lord, if the LORD be with us, why then is all this befallen us? and where be all his miracles which our fathers told us of, saying, Did not the LORD bring us up from Egypt? but now the LORD hath forsaken us, and delivered us into the hands of the Midianites.
(Jdg 6:14) And the LORD (i.e. the angel of the LORD from verse 12) looked upon him, and said, Go in this thy might, and thou shalt save Israel from the hand of the Midianites: have not I sent thee?
(Jdg 6:15) And he said unto him, Oh my Lord, wherewith shall I save Israel? behold, my family is poor in Manasseh, and I am the least in my father's house.
(Jdg 6:16) And the LORD (Yahweh) said unto him, Surely I will be with thee, and thou shalt smite the Midianites as one man.

From the above and the following verses, again we see this cannot be God the Father, as it is said of Him;
(1Ti 6:16) ...no man hath seen, nor can see...
(Jdg 6:22) And when Gideon perceived that he was an angel of the LORD (Yahweh), Gideon said, Alas, O Lord GOD! for because I have seen an angel of the LORD (Yahweh) face to face.

As you saw above, this is Yahweh who Gideon has seen face to face.


So; to the angels and as an angel, He is Michael (the archangel or commanding angel).
To man and as a man, He is Jesus (or Yahushua).
But as His part of the Godhead (Elohim), He is Yahweh.
Notice the similarity in His names; Yahweh, Yahushua.

So if you can accept that Yahweh is Jesus, you would also have to accept that Jesus is 'God with us';
(Mat 1:23) Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

It would also mean that Jesus is our God; which is confirmed by Jesus' own words;
(Rev 21:7) He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I (Jesus) will be his God, and he shall be my son.
(Rev 1:6) And hath made us kings and priests unto God (Jesus) and his Father; to him be glory and dominion forever and ever...

And has God the Father, also referred to Jesus as our God?;
(Heb 1:8) But unto the Son he (God the Father) saith, Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom.

Seeing clearly that the above verse is speaking of Jesus, notice who the 'God' is that David is speaking of here;
(Psa 45:6) Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever: the scepter of thy kingdom is a right scepter.
(Psa 45:7) Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God (Jesus), thy God (the Father), hath anointed thee (Jesus) with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Notice who Jesus claimed He was here;
(Joh 8:58) Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

So who is this 'I am' who Jesus claims to be?
Is this the same 'I am' of the Old Testament, or are there two 'I Am's?
(Exo 3:14) And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

Jesus declaration that He is the great I AM, is also recorded elsewhere in Scripture;
(It is important to note that the word 'he' in the following verses, has been erroneously added by translaters);
(Joh 8:24) I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am (he), ye shall die in your sins.
(Joh 8:28) Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am (he), and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
(Joh 13:19) Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe that I am (he).

Jesus existed before He came to earth as 'the man' Jesus.
Scripture clearly indicates that He was active in the affairs of man well before He appeared in the flesh.
The fact that (1Ti 6:16) ... no man hath seen, nor can see God the Father; indicates that Jesus was the active agent appearing to the various people throughout the Old Testament writings.
He was also the one speaking through the prophets of old;
(1Pe 1:10-11) Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify,...

Consider this next train of thought.
A Jehovah's witness (who believe Jehovah is the Father); will tell you that Jehovah is the 'Alpha and Omega'.
(Rev 1:8) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
(Rev 22:13) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

But because they claim the above verses ARE referring to Jehovah, who is this?;
(Rev 1:17) And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
(Rev 1:18) I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive forevermore,...

They cannot deny this is Jesus!!!

We hope you have enjoyed this 'Food for thought'.

(Isa 9:6) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. (These are all titles of Jesus!!!)

Compare the following two verses;
(Rev 1:8) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord (Jesus), which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
(Gen 17:1) And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD (Yahweh) appeared to Abram, and said unto him,
I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

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